Collette Calls: Third Time is Bad Time

Collette Calls: Third Time is Bad Time

This article is part of our Collette Calls series.

Last week, I showed how manager Mike Matheny's pattern of leaving Luke Weaver into games too long is a big reason why the young pitcher has been such a fantasy disappointment this season. I fully recognize that National League rules do not make it as easy for him to pull a pitcher as it does for the superior circuit that does not have to worry about the silliness known as pitchers hitting. By the way, the collective batting numbers for pitchers in 2018 is .107/.139/.137, which works out to a .126 wOBA, and their -28 wRC+ is the lowest since the league expanded to 30 teams. The last seven seasons have been the seven worst by weighted on base average for this novelty act:

Simply put, it's a matter of when, not if, for the DH to be a universal rule. I would be surprised if it did not happen in the next labor negotiation with a tradeoff of going to 26-man rosters given how teams are using pitching these days. Then again, they may implement a rule where it is 26, but teams have to carry 13 hitters and 13 pitchers.

Back on topic; the "Times Through the Order Penalty" is a real thing. As a whole, a pitcher does worse each progressive time through a batting order.

TIME
THRU
ORDER
TBFERAAVGOBPSLGwOBA
1st 566163.67.236.313.392.306
2nd 226564.20.246.316.412.316
3rd 133235.48.263.333.456.338
4th
Last week, I showed how manager Mike Matheny's pattern of leaving Luke Weaver into games too long is a big reason why the young pitcher has been such a fantasy disappointment this season. I fully recognize that National League rules do not make it as easy for him to pull a pitcher as it does for the superior circuit that does not have to worry about the silliness known as pitchers hitting. By the way, the collective batting numbers for pitchers in 2018 is .107/.139/.137, which works out to a .126 wOBA, and their -28 wRC+ is the lowest since the league expanded to 30 teams. The last seven seasons have been the seven worst by weighted on base average for this novelty act:

Simply put, it's a matter of when, not if, for the DH to be a universal rule. I would be surprised if it did not happen in the next labor negotiation with a tradeoff of going to 26-man rosters given how teams are using pitching these days. Then again, they may implement a rule where it is 26, but teams have to carry 13 hitters and 13 pitchers.

Back on topic; the "Times Through the Order Penalty" is a real thing. As a whole, a pitcher does worse each progressive time through a batting order.

TIME
THRU
ORDER
TBFERAAVGOBPSLGwOBA
1st 566163.67.236.313.392.306
2nd 226564.20.246.316.412.316
3rd 133235.48.263.333.456.338
4th 5225.92.260.330.419.323

The fact numbers are not as high the fourth time through is that pitchers that remain in the game that long as typically chasing a no-hitter or a shut out. Just 522 batters have been faced by a pitcher the fourth time in a game, and that group

The crazy part about this TTOP issue this year is the number of American League pitchers who are high on the list. Those skippers have bullpens to use and can freely swap the pitcher out without any other impact to the lineup card, and yet have decided to leave these pitchers in for them to absorb unnecessary damage. The one that is closest to my heart is Nate Eovaldi.

If you were to look at his 4.08 ERA, you would think he is not doing well. In fact, he has pitched very well this year and would have a 2.56 ERA if Kevin Cash had not left him in for longer starts this month. It is no secret the Rays are running out of healthy pitchers, and the "opener" strategy was berthed from necessity rather than desire. Chris Archer, Jacob Faria and Yonny Chirinos are on the disabled list. The next three guys on the pre-season depth chart – Brent Honeywell, Jose De Leon and Anthony Banda – each have zippers in their elbow and are out for another calendar year. They have had to use the Jonny Bullpen strategy two or three times per week just to survive. Eovaldi has been asked to absorb some extra work to give the pen a rest and it has twice come back to bite him hard given he has a notorious times through the order penalty as a two-pitch pitcher:

June 13 vs. NYY: 7.1 IP, 5 ER. Through seven innings, Eovaldi had allowed two runs and had faced 27 batters. The data screamed pull him out, but Cash left him in there for the eighth. Groundout, single, single, intentional walk, (Eovaldi pulled) and Sanchez clears the bases with a double.

June 20 vs. HOU: 18 batters faced through five innings with only a solo HR to Altuve. Left out there to begin the sixth and face everyone a third time. Next three batters hit solo homers before he retired the next three hitters. 


Those two extended events, in the face of the data, have impacted Eovaldi's ERA by one and a half runs. He was asked to get some extra batters out to help the team, so it makes some sense, particularly for a team that is not in playoff contention. In fact, those conditions could be applied to three of the five pitchers who have been most impacted by the TTOP, but not two of them.

PITCHEROVERALL ERAERA 1ST/2ND TIME
THRU ORDER
AFTER 18 BF
Masahiro Tanaka4.582.5813.50
Alex Cobb6.754.7413.25
Homer Bailey6.684.9813.15
Jose Quintana4.312.7011.49
Jake Odorizzi4.623.4210.43

By the numbers, the Yankees have one of the best bullpens in baseball. Yankee relievers have pitched in just under 274 innings this season, which is ninth-lowest total in the league. Yet, Aaron Boone has allowed Tanaka to face batters a third or fourth time in the same game a total of 62 times. Here is how the pitcher's numbers stack up as he goes through a lineup:

TIME
THRU
ORDER
TBFERAAVGOBPSLGwOBA
1st 1173.81.234.276.482.322
2nd 1154.70.269.327.512.352
After6213.50.309.387.691.451

Tanaka has not had the best of seasons overall, but it is clear he has been progressively worse with increased exposure to a lineup within a contest. Tanaka throws an assortment of pitches, but his fastball is a tertiary pitch these days (22 percent) while he leans on his slider (36 percent) and his splitter (30 percent). He throws enough pitch types so that batters cannot just sit on two pitches and try to guess which is coming, but the effectiveness of those pitches tapers off throughout a game.

Given the depth of the Yankees' bullpen, Boone would be wise to shorten Tanaka's starts and hand things over to the pen sooner rather than later. Tanaka has only been yanked once in 13 starts before the TTOP has kicked in, but he has also been allowed to face the heart of the opposing lineup in all but three starts. Ironically, he had his best outing of the season in an extended outing against Minnesota in which he faced a season-high 26 batters. However, he has avoided the long ball in just two of his 13 outings, and the multi-homer games have each been when he has faced 22 to 25 batters in a game.

One thing that may be in play with Tanaka is that this is the first time in his career the TTOP has been this punitive on his numbers as he has historically done a good job of limiting his damage in those situations.

I am going to skip over Alex Cobb and Homer Bailey because they have no fantasy value this year. Cobb's splitter is still AWOL, and it would take a miracle for him to get a win for a team that is on pace to finish 49-113 on the season. Bailey is still on the disabled list with a knee problem and is now on a fourth consecutive season with an ERA higher than 5.50. The strikeout rate is non-existent, but his large contract is still quite present so the Reds will continue to roll him out there.

Jose Quintana is all over the place as he goes through a lineup. The first time through, he is quite effective. The second time through, he remains quite effective save a few ill-timed long balls. If he is left in the game after two times through the order, the results have been absolutely disastrous:

TIME
THRU
ORDER
TBFERAAVGOBPSLGwOBA
1st 2882.70.205.289.361.286
2nd 1444.29.186.275.386.288
After8511.49.384.471.644.470

In games where Quintana has faced 22 or fewer batters, he has a 3.89 ERA. When he faces 24 or more batters, that ERA jumps to 4.66. Quintana throws fastballs or curveballs 91 percent of the time, which is a big reason why over-exposure is a problem for him. Ten of the 12 home runs he has permitted in 2018 have come on or after the 20th batter faced in the contest. This is where the National League rules come into play and could explain Joe Maddon's hesitance to swap out a pitcher sooner rather than later. Quintana has had success in extended outings this season against the Reds, Marlins and even the Brewers, but those have been the exception rather than the norm for him.

Odorizzi has a long history of struggling when he is left in the game too long. I frankly grew tired of writingg about it on my Rays blog, but he, like Quintana, is a two-pitch guy. Sure, Odorizzi has a cutter and a curveball, but the two pitches are not even good pitches in their current forms Odorizzi gets a lot of rises and run off his fastball, and the split-change stays down and allows him to use the tenets of effective velocity rather well early in games. As the game goes on, his numbers dive much like the movement on his split-change:

TIME
THRU
ORDER
TBFERAAVGOBPSLGwOBA
1st1534.04.235.322.396.315
2nd1482.80.220.306.344.289
After7410.43.365.459.887.539

In the face of that data, in the American League, it is perplexing why Paul Molitor allows Odorizzi to remain in the game as long as he does. Odorizzi can pitch into extended counts because his two-pitch approach leads to many foul balls. He has not been allowed to face more than 25 batters in a contest this season, but the data shows that once he gets to 22 batters, problems happen. Odorizzi has permitted 14 home runs this season, and 12 of them have come in outings where he has faced at least 22 batters and his slugging percentage in the "after" line above give you a good hint when those home runs are ocuring.

Conversely, there are pitchers that do exceedingly well the third time through the order. James Paxton has been the best pitcher in the league after two times through the order with a 1.72 ERA, and Gerrit Cole has been right behind him at 1.82. That is no surprise given both pitchers have dominant stuff and can control a game when they're hitting their spots with their high-velocity fastballs and sharp breaking balls. The surprise I want to focus on is the guy with a 1.88 ERA after two times through the order: Reynaldo Lopez.

In my AL Central Bold Predictions piece, I said that Lopez would be the most valuable starting pitcher on his team. That prediction has held up quite well at the midpoint of the season. The main reason I liked Lopez coming into the season was that he was getting his third pitch back as he had lost his curveball during the 2017 season and was mostly pitching of a good fastball and a blah changeup. The Lopez we saw pitching for the Nationals with the great curve was much different than the one we say slog through the 2017 season with the White Sox after his promotion from Charlotte.

This season, his times through the order splits put together an interesting story:

TIME
THRU
ORDER
TBFERAAVGOBPSLGwOBA
1st1443.89.226.285.438.307
2nd1425.28.293.387.451.366
After1121.88.155.268.263.245

Lopez either has it, or he does not have it. The first time through is the kind of numbers one would expect from a third year pitcher who is getting his first full taste in the rotation. The second time through the order has not been pretty at all, but when he gets through that trip, the numbers are amazing. Lopez's pitch mixture is back in line with his 2016 numbers as the curveball is back in play, but it takes a distant back seat to his fastball usage:

Lopez has pitched to at least 25 batters in 11 of his 16 starts, and in those outings, and he as 2.43 ERA. In the other five starts, he has allowed 19 earned runs in 20 innings, most of which came against two disastrous outings against Cleveland and another one against Pittsburgh in which he failed to record an out in the third inning.

The .178 BABIP and the 4.03 FIP in this split point to what could be and how fortunate Lopez has been against the TTOP odds this season. The StatCast data shows that Lopez's expected weighted on-base average of .391 is 147 higher than his actual .244 weighted on-base average in these splits.

In short, while Lopez has been a pleasant surprise, his overall ERA overperformance is being mostly stood up by an even more improbable overperformance of his numbers with increased exposure. How is Lopez holding batters to a .155 average the third time through the order when they hit nearly .300 against him the second time through? That is a mystery as his pitch mixture in that split is no different from his mixture the first two times through the order. The bigger picture is that he has been quite fortunate to this point of the season and it is unlikely he will remain this high on this particular leaderboard let alone in the top 20 by season's end.

The rest of season futures for Tanaka, Quintana and Odorizzi could improve if their skippers do a better job of recognizing the data and pulling them a batter early rather than a batter too late. For Lopez, the ride has been fun, but you should consider cashing him in at his current value because the foundation upon which his serviceable season is built upon is of George Bluth quality construction.

Want to Read More?
Subscribe to RotoWire to see the full article.

We reserve some of our best content for our paid subscribers. Plus, if you choose to subscribe you can discuss this article with the author and the rest of the RotoWire community.

Get Instant Access To This Article Get Access To This Article
RotoWire Community
Join Our Subscriber-Only MLB Chat
Chat with our writers and other RotoWire MLB fans for all the pre-game info and in-game banter.
Join The Discussion
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Jason Collette
Jason has been helping fantasy owners since 1999, and here at Rotowire since 2011. You can hear Jason weekly on many of the Sirius/XM Fantasy channel offerings throughout the season as well as on the Sleeper and the Bust podcast every Sunday. A ten-time FSWA finalist, Jason won the FSWA's Fantasy Baseball Writer of the Year award in 2013 and the Baseball Series of the Year award in 2018 for Collette Calls,and was the 2023 AL LABR champion. Jason manages his social media presence at https://linktr.ee/jasoncollette
MLB Barometer: Hot Starts for Young Hitters
MLB Barometer: Hot Starts for Young Hitters
Collette Calls: The State of Pitching
Collette Calls: The State of Pitching
Brewers-Cardinals & more MLB Bets and Expert Picks for Friday, April 19
Brewers-Cardinals & more MLB Bets and Expert Picks for Friday, April 19
New York Mets-Los Angeles Dodgers & More MLB Best Bets & Player Props for April 19
New York Mets-Los Angeles Dodgers & More MLB Best Bets & Player Props for April 19